Curse

Charcoal Ann · Oct 19, 2005, 11:26 AM // 11:26

the IMPORTANT thing with Spiteful is that it is AoE. Empathy isn't. Ineptitude isn't AoE. Clumsiness isn't AoE.
Remember that ALL the warriors in the enemy group should be going for one target. ALL those warriors will be taking dmg if the cursed one attacks. you can keep Spiteful Spirit on them indefinatly. and if you know how to stack your hexes then it probably won't be removed.

Clumsiness + Ineptitude is a good counter against one stupid warrior (of which there is more than an adequate sufficiency). Spiteful is good against a few warriors. it lasts for ages as well. is not stopping a warrior from attacking just as good as killing them? and if a warrior is stupid enough to keep going with ineptitude and clumsiness on then they are, sure as hell, stupid enough to keep going with Spiteful on.

I have asked the warriors of an FoW group NOT to attack with spiteful on. one will always continue. they will say but its ONLY 25 dmg.

Sure 25 to you. 25 to me as well. AND sir tanks alot on your right hand side. thats 75 dmg that the monks must heal. and thats PER attack. when i use it i have somewhere around 15 curses. that is 35 dmg to everyone near every 1.33 seconds for 20 seconds. i can keep this curse on 2 warriors indefinately. if i choose to go insane i can arcane echo it. at those stats i can do 525 dmg to everyone near JUST ONE OF THE CURSED. 1050dmg to everyone near the cursed couple.

of course thats only if they both stop attacking as soon as it goes on. however i have only met 2 warriors in my entire cursing history that stopped attacking when they had this on.

of course if they are flurrying then this goes up to 700 or so dmg per cursed one. if they are frenzeing then... oh dear is all i can say. (about 1400dmg to cursed one and 700 dmg to everyone around him, presuming that they aren't using frenzy as well.)
and all that is if you have a really good monk to keep up with all that dmg. Prot spirit doesn't work, the dmg comes in nice, bite sized chunks.

all this from a 15 energy spell?
IWAY dies in moments to this skill. any team with a stupid or inexperienced or non alert warrior or two will be seriously inconvenienced by this spell.

Kampfkeks · Oct 19, 2005, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Man With No Name

Elitest Post

Gotta love elitists for breakfast.
You really assume people know what they are doing? That was a good one. I even saw wannabe Professionals out of this board that stomp on any newbie question that occuers... casting right through BACKFIRE and die from it. And you really do assume there is more than 2 folks who stop attacking under this? You are NOT serious about that are you?

You know that you can get a counter for ANYTHING in Guildwars. Stopping to attack will counter it. Sure thing, but stopping the attack if you see your target cast clumsiness and ineptitude will also stop them from working. Partly. Why only partly? Because they just took you out of the game for a few seconds, there is more to guildwars and even more to winning than just raw damage. I thought elitists would know that...
Saying something is "noob omgz0r ololoo9ooolfroflcopter!" just because you can counter it is bullshit. And if the simple applying of spiteful will make you cry for love from your monk... well that is a great thing and i'm waiting for that to happen as well when i'm on my Mesmer/Necro. You know, either way your team loses something. You either keep attacking and die from it. You stop attacking and cry for monk love. Your monk will either remove that hex... which will be very hard with me spamming diversion, powerblock etc onto him just because i EXPECT him to remove that hex. If i block his hex removel, hoo-wee... you're standing still and not doing anything and he lost his removal.
If he ignores it because he expects ME to stand there lurking for his hex removal... you will still be standing. Either way, a win for me.

Man With No Name · Oct 19, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks

Gotta love elitists for breakfast.
You really assume people know what they are doing? That was a good one. I even saw wannabe Professionals out of this board that stomp on any newbie question that occuers... casting right through BACKFIRE and die from it. And you really do assume there is more than 2 folks who stop attacking under this? You are NOT serious about that are you?

You know that you can get a counter for ANYTHING in Guildwars. Stopping to attack will counter it. Sure thing, but stopping the attack if you see your target cast clumsiness and ineptitude will also stop them from working. Partly. Why only partly? Because they just took you out of the game for a few seconds, there is more to guildwars and even more to winning than just raw damage. I thought elitists would know that...
Saying something is "noob omgz0r ololoo9ooolfroflcopter!" just because you can counter it is bullshit. And if the simple applying of spiteful will make you cry for love from your monk... well that is a great thing and i'm waiting for that to happen as well when i'm on my Mesmer/Necro. You know, either way your team loses something. You either keep attacking and die from it. You stop attacking and cry for monk love. Your monk will either remove that hex... which will be very hard with me spamming diversion, powerblock etc onto him just because i EXPECT him to remove that hex. If i block his hex removel, hoo-wee... you're standing still and not doing anything and he lost his removal.
If he ignores it because he expects ME to stand there lurking for his hex removal... you will still be standing. Either way, a win for me.

What a unique way to use QUOTES -- you quote me with something that I've never said on any page of this thread.

I'm not going to try and convince you to bring nice blanket hexes like: Shadow of Fear / Faintheartedness + Enfeeble / Enfeebling Blood -- It's clear we've got a Spiteful Spirit zealot.

If your argument for using it is this: If they attack they get hit for 30 and if they don't attack they're not doing anything

Then I'd say: Since I won't be attacking with Spiteful anyway -- Faintheartedness + Enfeeble do a far better job for 15e -- Now two things need to be removed by Monks -- a Hex and a Condition.

And it's "ELITIST"

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Originally Posted by Corwin

I only like the skill for PvE or Random Arena, where the typical Warrior IS dumb enough to keep attacking through it and there isn't much hex removal going on.

So much hostility...

No hostility chief. As silly as it sounds -- I want to see some better mesmers and necro's in the arenas -- I want you to disable my Warrior and kill my Monks / Soft targets

Slapping on Weakness and 50% slower attack speed has put me out of the fight -- I'll be hitting for about 4 damage a swing with my attack skills hitting for 40~ -- hardly worth carrying on.

Hitting me with garbage like Life Transfer and Siphon just let's me carry on my merry way.

As you said it's Random Arena or PvE stuff.

Kampfkeks · Oct 19, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

I don't see a reason to quote a whole post when two words will describe it perfectly. I used the quote command to make sure you understand that i am referring to you.
You may call me spiteful zealot for all you like - i don't care. Especially when it is clear you are a zealot of other things. You shouldn't go and call others names when it is clear that you are by no means any better.
All the things you mentioned there... so many spells to achieve what one spell might achieve with a bit of gambling. Besides... from your point of view all those skills would be nullified... simply because you can easily counter them. See how the counter argument doesn't work in anyones favor?

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By the way... congratulations, you found a typo on someone whose mother tongue isn't english. You can go and... well think about it yourself.

Charcoal Ann · Oct 19, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

i find it strange the way that people just ignore my posts sometimes. i feel that i went over the ground you chaps are covering. is it because it is too big?

ok Mr Noname. congratulations! you are the third person i have ever encountered that will stop attacking when they have spiteful Spirit on them! you win a cookie.

I agree with Kampfkeks. i see on these boards so many things of: well my ranger packing 24 types of interrupts can OWN J00R sk1llz n00b!
so? everything is counterable. well if i use prot spirit them ineptitude and thingy become no better than spiteful. haha!! n00b!!

from experience i have only encountered 2 warriors in PvP that stopped when spiteful went on them. and THAT fulfilled its purpose. they stopped beating on the monk.
you call for a convert hexes? oh noes. such an intelligent tank! how can i beat you?? well, i also backfired the monk a wee while ago. he ain't concerned with you.
i've countered your counter. does that make you counter worthless? no. it is something to bear in mind when i build my Spiteful Spirit IWAY hunter build.

i could even spiteful spirit the monk. all those orisons he casts on you warriors will cause him dmg. he'll soon stop.

hexes are all about making something less effective. Spiteful does that. Ineptitude does that. but saying that Spiteful is useless because 1% of the warrior population stop attacking when it is applied is simply silly.

bhu987us · Oct 20, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Any N/Me's in the house?

I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...

Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results.

ZenRgy · Oct 20, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Necro ele ftw.

Blinding Flash, or even a ranger to use throw dirt, anything like that...

Spiteful Spirit + Price of failure, you'll usually never get hit, and he's taking alot of damage per hit.

CKaz · Oct 21, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

I think that's a good idea PvE

PvP not so much, although an attacker might work through one or the other (damage or missing) they're more likely to address the problem/stop swinging or shooting (particularly with blind) so you got less out of it.

Toss price of failure on the next close mob not bad idea too/different from spiteful targ - dont want the spiteful aoe dmg going away too quick

I'd even moreso suggest enfeeble (targ or area) - you just want to lower the damage you're taking while they kill themselves, again more PvE.

I'm a big fan of the targ/area slow (shadow of fear lots of fun) but with spiteful it doesnt make sense, you want them to rip themselves up with efficiency - Faintheartedness dropped on the spiteful neighbor not a bad idea

I'm actually doing a lot of toying with this trying to hench thirsty river.. had no problems with ele/me, did it with my warr, but reconfiguring my n/mo so I can take out those double monks in one of the last groups.. spiteful is part of that

Shwitz · Oct 21, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by bhu987us

Any N/Me's in the house?

I've been trying an anti-war build by stacking Spiteful Spirit + Backfire....with both combined, warriors are getting 50 damage each time they take a swing at me. One strategy that I have found has worked wonders is luring warriors together into a chokepoint like a bridge. Once the warriors are close together I put Spiteful and Backfire on all warriors, and the damage seriously adds up. One warrior might stop to heal, but the warrior next to him keeps on hitting which means that warrior is getting hit too...

Anyone try stacking these 2 together? I'm getting great results.

Do you mean Spiteful Spirit + Empathy? Backfire is anti-caster.

bhu987us · Oct 22, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Shwitz

Do you mean Spiteful Spirit + Empathy? Backfire is anti-caster.

WOOPS. My Bad. I had a hangover. I meant Spiteful Spirit + Empathy!!!!

βlitzkrieg · Oct 22, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Yeah, it can combined with Empathy to doe twice the damage, and if one gets removed, you still have the other up.

Daegul Mistweaver · Oct 28, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Kampfkeks

Gotta love elitists for breakfast.

I like eggs.

Gogetter · Nov 23, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Hes just outside, you cant miss him, took me about 10 goes to get him to spawn.

Name: Nighh Spinechill

yesitsrob · Dec 06, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.

If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?

I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...

So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful

LightningHell · Dec 06, 2005, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Actually, it also works with spells, so it can also *try* disabling casters. Huh, well monks are generally more concerned about caster health than warriors, so I think that wouldn't really work as well as Spiteful Spirit + Dumb Warrior. (Casters can spread out, anyways. Only some casters are dumb.)

NekoZ · Dec 06, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitsrob

Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.

If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?

I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...

So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful

Yes it still works. I just tested it againts a Rockshot real quick and it missed with Blind and still took damage.

Crotalus · Dec 06, 2005, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesitsrob

Just a question about this skill which I and a few guildies debated about.

If you cast this on a blind warrior, will the spiteful still trigger even if he doesn't connect with the attack?

I was under the impression he only have to swing the weapon and not connect, and according to the description this is the case. But we know not all of the descriptions are right...

So pretty much does blind + spiteful work, or even evasion + spiteful

It also works with stances. I have been using a Spiteful Spirit/Price of Failure/Stances W/N for a while now. It is fun build.

Devil16 · Dec 15, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

u guys seem to be making a lot of fuse about this skill, let me clear soem things up
1. it sucks in pvp
2. it rocks when used properly in farmin

there you have it

damocles · Dec 15, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

It also rocks in PvP.

Dmitri3 · Dec 15, 2005, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Funniest thing I've noticed about this skill is that you don't get damaged by Spiteful when you are using pet's attacks.